Leading for Unity: An Evangelical Articulation of the Unity of the Church in Preparation for Diocesan Clegy Day

Posted: August 12, 2009 by limabean03 in Anglican Communion, Biblical Studies, Biblical Theology, Christian Theology, Christianity, Current Issues, Reformation Theology, Reformed Theology, Thought and Practice in the Diocese of South Carolina, Trinity Tidings

Leading for Unity

by the Revs Iain Boyd and Robert Sturdy

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Over the past few months, because of various events (Gafcon, ACNA, GenCon 09’) the issue of the unity of the church viewed through the lens of an Anglican context has come up with increasing regularity.  In the conversations we have had with fellow priests and even in statements from men and women serving at a very high level of leadership in the diocese we have noted two things.  The first thing we would note is that while the individuals themselves are, for the most part trained theologians and men and women of great theological depth and Biblical faithfulness they have failed to publicly reflect with any great depth on the situations we are now presented with. The second thing we have noticed about the discussion of the unity of the church in an Anglican context is that the evangelical understanding of the unity of the church is poorly represented amongst the highest levels of leadership in the Diocese of S.C.

Our desire in presenting this is to facilitate a discussion on some very difficult matters.  We also wish to form the discussion along certain lines that we do not believe have played a significant enough role in the corporate discernment of the Diocese.  We wish to form this discussion first and foremost not in terms of any one theological tradition, but rather we wish to center this discussion within the confines of the Biblical witness of the church in the New Testament.  We understand that our theological tradition will no doubt inform our reading of the New Testament, nevertheless we seek first and foremost to honor God by submitting to his Word as best as we are able before entering into any discussion based on Anglican tradition.  This leads to our next point. We wish to demonstrate the understanding of Christian unity in early Anglicanism as it applied to the multiple expressions of Christian churches in England during the period of the Reformation.  As it will be seen, we do not present an understanding of Christian unity in early Anglicanism that is at odds with the Biblical witness, but rather one that fits quite comfortably within it.

It is our honest intention to honor Christ by humbly submitting this reflection.  We wish to contribute to the current discernment that up until now has only been done by a select few.  The format of this paper will be an overview of both parts followed by an extended discussion on both Christian unity in the N.T. as well as how it was understood in early Anglicanism.

An Overview:

The Anglican Church allows for more diversity of opinion on matters of unity and the catholic faith than is commonly proclaimed today.  It is important that as the Diocese of South Carolina discerns a way forward an evangelical ecclesiology be allowed a place at the table.

This paper considers the nature of Christian unity from two perspectives:

1.  Scripture

2.  Early Anglicanism

Overview of Part I:  A Picture of the Unity of the Church in the New Testament

In John 17:13-23 Jesus prays for the unity of the Church.  He prays for those who will receive not the apostolic structure, but the apostolic word (John 17:20).  The church is apostolic, then, as it receives the faith of the apostles, not any laying on of hands.

This apostolicity is not centered on any one person (i.e. Peter).  Moreover, when one of the apostles begins to walk inconsistently with the Gospel, he is rebuked.  (Galatians 2:11-14)

Thus the role of the apostolic office was not to pass on an institution, but a faith.

Where the word of the apostles is preached and believed there exist the people who Jesus prayed would be one with Himself as well as one with each other.  Two examples of this principle can be given in Acts ch. 11

1.  Acts 11:1-18  Peter reports on the conversion of Cornelius.  Without apostolic authority, Cornelius was filled with the Spirit and began speaking in tongues.  What was the means by which Cornelius came to faith and was filled with the Spirit?  Through Peter’s preaching.

2. Acts 11:19-30 Baranabas goes to see the church in Antioch and finds Christians there who had come to faith through the preaching of the scattered church from Jerusalem.  These preachers were not recognized as apostles.  Yet, Barnabas finds that God has shown grace to them so he extends the hand of fellowship.  It is important to note that God’s grace was not conditional upon Barnabas extending his hand, but rather preceded it.

Therefore it is the reception of the Apostles teaching through faith and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that causes believers in the New Testament to extend fellowship with one another and physically (and in time institutionally) express a spiritual unity that is already present.

The New Testament not only speaks of unity, it also speaks of situations where unity is not possible.  2 John 9-11 shows that where continuance of the apostles teaching fails, unity must fail.  Moreover, 2 Cor 6:14-18 urges the church not to be yoked with unbelievers.  Presumably, those unbelievers are members of the church who have abdicated the faith.

With this in mind, one can only wonder why the Diocese of South Carolina has failed to meaningfully extend the hand of fellowship to the ACNA.

While we recognize that the Diocese of SC has in the past repudiated actions taken by the General Convention of TEC, one wonders if the Biblical principles outlined above have been applied thoroughly to our present, most difficult situation.

Overview of Part II:  Christian Unity and Early Anglicanism

The predominate voices in the discussions reacting to GenCon 09 all tend towards a catholic ecclesiology.  Is the ecclesiology of historic Anglicanism exclusively catholic?

In order to explore this we looked at three sources

1.  The Thirty Nine Articles

2.  John Jewel An Apology of the Church of England

3. Richard Hooker, Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity

The Thirty Nine Articles are silent on the issue of apostolic succession. They mention the threefold order of ministry, but do not hold it as necessary for the nature of the church.

The 39 Articles define the church by the proper preaching of the Word and administration of the sacraments.

John Jewel gives an apology to the Roman Church for the Church of England.

In that apology, Jewel never uses apostolic succession as a sign that they are a valid truth, although he repudiates it as such elsewhere.

Jewel consistently defines the church not by ecclesiastical structure but by the proclamation of apostolic faith.

Richard Hooker writes in favor of the Church of England as it was organized under Elizabeth I in opposition to the puritans who wished for further reform.

In his apology, Hooker defines the church by apostolic faith.  Although structure is important for Hooker, what structure is not a matter essential for it to be a Christian Church. Hooker openly states that Christian unity is a unity of essence shared by all those who worship the one and only God and are filled with His spirit.

Thus for the 39 Articles, Jewel, and Hooker, catholicity is not a matter of bishops or apostolic succession, but rather a spiritual unity enjoyed by those who are united to Christ by faith.

This paper calls for our actions and our speech to recognize the spiritual unity we share with the ACNA as part of the true catholic church.  It also calls us to recognize that bishops don’t necessarily make a church.  When we define catholicity by the structure of our church, we deny the validity of our brothers and sisters in Christ of other denominations, and we become not Catholics, but schismatics.

Part I:  A Picture of the Unity of the Church in the New Testament

“But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.  Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.”

“I do not ask for these only, but also for those  who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.” (John 17.13-23 ESV)

In any discussion on Christian unity, the above passage from John’s Gospel is no doubt destined to play a critical role.  After all, in the solemnity of Jesus’ final meal with his disciples before the crucifixion who can fail to feel the heavy weight of the words of the Savior fall not only on our minds but on our hearts?  We must ask who is Jesus praying for?  What is the unity he envisions when he says “that they may all be one”?  How can they be “perfectly one”?

The first thing to note is who Jesus prays for.  John 17.13 says “I do not ask for these only.”  It is clear that Jesus is praying first and foremost for the twelve disciples (John 17.9-12).  He is praying for those who have been called out of the world by Jesus the Christ (John 17.6).  The theme of being called out of the world by the Christ, or Messiah of God is a theme well reflected in the New Testament.  Just as in John’s Gospel it is not sufficient to say simply that we have έκκλησία (assembly) but one must add του θεου (of God) or του κυρίου (of the Lord).  Therefore the N.T. focuses not merely on the assembly, but upon who has called the people to assemble.  Paul will drive the point further when he writes έκκλησία του θεου έν χριστώ Ίησου (1 Thess 2.14, see also 2 Thes 1.1, 1 Cor 1.2).

The increasing Messianic flavor of the έκκλησία in the writings of Paul helps us understand why Jesus begins first by praying for the twelve disciples.  The twelve disciples were after all to become the twelve Apostles who were to reconstitute the twelve tribes of Israel within the έκκλησία of the New Covenant (Jer 31.21).  The transition from disciple to Apostle rests principally upon the vindication of Jesus as the Messiah through few and specific post-resurrection appearances.  That the vindication of Jesus as Messiah through his resurrection from the dead is of principal importance in apostleship is a point which Paul makes in 1 Cor 15.3-11 where he applies this standard not only to himself but to all the Apostles.

The Apostles of the New Testament are made one through their common experience and belief of Jesus as God’s Messiah.  Their unity is not centered around any one person (such as Peter), or any one city (such as Jerusalem), or any one ethnic group (such as the Jews).  Rather, what matters most is the fellowship of those called to assemble by God in the name of Jesus the Messiah.  This is nowhere more evident than Gal 1.11-2.14.  In it we read that “the Gospel preached to me (Paul) is not man’s Gospel.  For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received through a revelation of Jesus Christ” (Gal 1.11-12).  This Gospel was submitted to “those who seemed influential…in order to make sure I (Paul) was not running the race in vain” (Gal 2.2).  Though Paul’s Gospel was submitted to “those who seemed influential” it is important to note that “what they were makes no difference since God shows no partiality” (Gal 2.6).  Here we see that there are issues at stake regarding Christian unity that transcend the influence and leadership of the Apostles, even the Apostles in Jerusalem.  What is the issue that transcends the influence and leadership of the Apostles?  Paul writes “conduct that is not in step with the truth of the Gospel” (2.14).  In fact, Paul confronted Peter “so that the truth of the Gospel could be preserved” (Gal 2.5)

The principle role of the Apostles was not to preserve an institutional succession therefore, but the succession of the Gospel.  Paul clearly shows that institutional unity must suffer if it comes into conflict with the preservation of the Gospel.  Now we see why Jesus begins his prayer with the twelve.  They are the vehicles for the proclamation of Jesus as the Messiah and it is the substance of their proclamation which is the primary substance of their unity.  Here is the main concern of unity within the Church in the New Testament, as we shall see when we return to John’s Gospel. Jesus prays to the Father “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word” (John 17.20).  A survey of ch. 17 reveals that the word proclaimed by Jesus to the twelve is of tremendous importance for the vitality of the Apostles as well as their unity among themselves as well as their unity to God (John 17.6, 17.8, 17,7).  But now we see that this is not only important for the unity of the Apostles but is also important for the unity of the church that will be formed by the preaching of the Apostles.  “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me, through their word” (John 17.20).  Just as the unity of the Apostles was kept by the integrity of the word proclaimed, so too is the future unity of the church kept by those who believe through the word.  This is a unity not formed by “influential persons” (Gal 2.6), nor is it a unity of place, but a unity of belief through the word as Jesus makes clear “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me, through their word, that they (those who believe through the word of the Apostles) may all be one” (John 17.20).  We see further down that their unity is not only a unity based upon the conviction that Jesus is the Messiah, but we also see that they possess unity that the world may believe Jesus is the Messiah.  “The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me” (John 17.23).

Where the word of the apostles is preached and believed there exist the people who Jesus prayed would be one with himself as well as one with each other.  Two examples of this principle can be recognized in two different episodes reported in Acts ch. 11.

“Now the apostles and the brothers who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcision party criticized him, saying,  “You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.” But Peter began and explained it to them in order:  “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, something like a great sheet descending, being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to me. Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air. And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’ This happened three times, and all was drawn up again into heaven. And behold, at that very moment three men arrived at the house in which we were, sent to me from Caesarea. And the Spirit told me to go with them, making no distinction. These six brothers also accompanied me, and we entered the man’s house. And he told us how he had seen the angel stand in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa and bring Simon who is called Peter; he will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.” (Acts 11.1-18)

The above episode is a continuation of an event recorded first in Acts ch. 10.  In it, Peter, under the direction of God goes to the Gentile Cornelius to extend the ministry of the Gospel beyond the borders of Israel.  Cornelius and several other Gentiles hear the word of the Lord and are immediately filled with the Holy Spirit (10.44).  This episode caused friction in the church in Jerusalem, who had not yet come to believe that Gentiles could also be incorporated into the New Covenant.  What is important for us in this discussion is to notice how the church in Jerusalem came to recognize Cornelius and the other gentile Christians as members of the New Covenant and why they extended fellowship to this new body of the believers.  Peter proclaims to the church in Jerusalem “As I began to speak” (Acts 11.15).  What was Peter speaking?  The content of the proclamation can be found in Acts 10.34-43, but it is essentially that Jesus is God’s chosen Messiah, crucified and raised from the dead.  He will come to judge the world and forgiveness of sins can be had in his name.  Returning to Peter’s speech to the church in Jerusalem we see “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning” (Acts 11.15).  Peter then asks “If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” (Acts 11.17).  The force of Peter’s argument was overwhelmingly persuasive to the church in Jerusalem (Acts 11.18).  But what exactly was the argument?  The argument is essentially that once the Gentiles believed God gave them the Holy Spirit.  It is important to note that the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentile believers before the church in Jerusalem had the opportunity to receive them into fellowship.  The gift of the Holy Spirit is not conditional upon the approval of the Apostles or upon an individual congregation, or even upon an association of congregations.  Rather it is dependent upon God as Peter notes “who was I that I could stand in God’s way?”  The second important point to note is that the Gentile believers become like the church in Jerusalem before the church in Jerusalem has the opportunity to recognize them.  Peter says “the Holy Spirit fell on them (the Gentile believers) just as on us at the beginning” (Acts 11.15).  If the Gentile believers were made one with God through the Holy Spirit, and the Jerusalem believers were made one with God through the Holy Spirit, are they not then one in Christ even before they recognize their essential unity?

A similar example can be found in the following paragraphs, as Luke no doubt sets up this narrative beginning early in ch. 10.  In ch. 11.19-24 we read:

“Now those who were scattered because of the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia and Cyprus and Antioch, speaking the word to no one except Jews. But there were some of them, men of Cyprus and Cyrene, who on coming to Antioch spoke to the Hellenists also, preaching the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number who believed turned to the Lord. The report of this came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch. When he came and saw the grace of God, he was glad, and he exhorted them all to remain faithful to the Lord with steadfast purpose, for he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord” (Acts 11.19-24)

Again, notice how the church in Jerusalem sends Barnabas who recognizes what God has already done in Antioch.  Once Barnabas “saw the grace of God” he immediately extends fellowship to the church in Antioch.  Notice that Barnabas is not able to give the grace of God to the Antiochene Christians by extending fellowship, but he extends fellowship because he recognizes the grace of God to already be present.

Therefore it is the reception of the Apostles teaching through faith and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that causes believers in the New Testament to extend fellowship with one another and physically (and in time institutionally) express a spiritual unity that is already present.  But does the New Testament envision a possibility that would cause believers not to receive someone?  Does the New Testament envision an occurrence that would cause two persons who both claim the name Christian not to receive one another?  Surprisingly, the same John who recorded Jesus’ passionate prayer for unity is also the same man who gives us the clearest direction on when we must not extend the hand of fellowship to those who bear the name Christian.  In 2 John 9-11 we read:

“Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.”

Again, the emphasis is upon the Apostles teaching.  It is important to notice that this passage deals not with the reception of the Apostles teaching but rather upon maintaining the Apostles teaching.  John’s stunning implication is that those who do not “abide in the teaching of Christ” do not have God (2 John 9).  If they do not have God, then they are not one with him nor can they be considered one with the church (John 17.23).  This is presumably regardless of any formal ecclesiastical affiliation.  Notice that structure, location, or affiliation has no bearing on whether or not believers are meant to extend the hand of fellowship.  Rather, we are instructed not to extend fellowship to those who do “not abide in the teaching of Christ.”

This concern is reflected outside of John and can be found in 2nd Cor 6.14-18.  In this passage we read:

“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?  What accord has Christ with Belial?  Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,

“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
Therefore go out from their midst,
and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
then I will welcome you,
and I will be a father to you,
and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

The word “unequally yoked” in the Greek is ‘ετερόζυγος.  At the time it meant the mating of animals under a different species, like an ass and an ox.  Paul’s contribution to the discussion on Christian unity is useful at this point.  The unbelievers in the above passage are not un-evangelized pagans but most likely church leaders who have failed to meet the test of faithfulness (2 Cor 13.5).  Paul compares church leaders who do not hold to the Apostle’s teaching to a different species than the church holds to the Apostle’s teaching.  It is clear that according to Paul, a structural unity can exist between unbelievers and believers even if the spiritual unity is not present.  Nevertheless, Paul exhorts the believers not to maintain the structural unity if it is not based upon the spiritual reality.

Conclusion to Part I:

How then do we lead for unity?  From the perspective of the New Testament we should recognize that there is a unity which transcends institutional, geographical, and personal affiliations.  This unity is found in the reception of the Apostles’ teaching by faith and the gift of the Holy Spirit which comes from God.  Wherever the Apostles’ teaching is held by faith and the Holy Spirit dwells there exist believers who are one with God and therefore one with each other.  This unity exists regardless of denominational affiliation and can and does exist outside of Apostolic succession.  With these criteria in mind, one can only wonder why the Diocese of South Carolina has failed to meaningfully extend the hand of fellowship to the ACNA.

Conversely, where the Apostles teaching is not honored there we are told quite frankly that the Holy Spirit does not dwell and thus no true unity may even exist.  We are instructed not to keep fellowship with people who do not honor the teaching of the Apostles because by their actions they prove they do not have the Holy Spirit.  While we recognize that the Diocese of South Carolina has in the past repudiated actions taken by the General Convention of TEC, one wonders if the Biblical principles outlined above regarding discipline and unity have been applied thoroughly enough to our present situation.

We can lead for unity in a way that honors the New Testament by cherishing unity that exists cross denominationally under the confession of Jesus as the Christ.  We ought not to make the mistake of looking only to outward symbols, whether they are bishops, councils, conventions or communions but rather look to the Apostles teaching as the standard by which the Church is recognized in the world.  What then of denominations?  We can be thankful for a good and Godly heritage in the Anglican Communion that honors the notions set forth in the above paragraphs of this paper (as we will later show).  We can be thankful for confessing brothers and sisters both globally and at home and the fellowship we share with them and the Father.  We can be particularly thankful for the fellowship we share with confessing Anglicans at home and abroad.  We can also be thankful for confessing bishops who maintain the unity of the church not by their office alone, but by their office and the clear proclamation of the Gospel.  However we should be wary of any fellowship based upon bishops, councils, conventions and even communions where the Lordship of Jesus Christ is not seen to be honored.  To proclaim unity where the Lordship of Jesus Christ is not recognized is to masquerade a lie as the truth and proclaim a structural unity but not a spiritual unity.

While these conclusions may seem to many to be decidedly “un-Anglican” I believe the following section of this paper will prove that the early Anglican Reformers held convictions regarding the catholicity of the church surprisingly similar to those espoused in the above paragraphs.

Part II:  Early Anglicanism and the Unity of the Church

The General Convention of The Episcopal Church has taken actions which make our common life difficult, and in fact necessitate some change in the way we relate.  The question that lies before us is complicated and cannot be taken lightly.  Many faithful people may find themselves called to respond in different ways.  As Dean Robert Munday has said recently,

“God may lead many to move to a purer fellowship or a “safer” place. But there is also the example of Joseph, who was sold into slavery in Egypt. When he was freed, he could have gone home to be with his family and those who worshiped the true and living God anytime he wanted. But God had planted him in Egypt, and he remained until he died, in order that good might come of it and that God’s people would be blessed.”[1]

It is therefore not the intention of this paper to dictate how the faithful should react to the actions of TEC.  Rather, it is my desire to lay the groundwork for how we think through one aspect of the situation, namely the idea of catholicity.

For years, many of our Orthodox brethren have found remaining in TEC untenable.  This has led to a slow bleed of Orthodox clergy, parishes, and parishioners from The Episcopal Church.  As this has developed, Bishops and Archbishops from all over the world have extended to them the right hand of fellowship and the umbrella of pastoral care.  As it became clear that in TEC the trend towards revisionism was irreversible, these separate groups reunited under a common desire to faithfully preserve and proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  In a monumental event of Christian unification, the splintering in the American Episcopal Church over theological revision which had been happening for over 100 years was ended!  Finally, groups with a common theology and a common mission were able to set aside their differences and reunite under a common banner, the Anglican Church of North America.

What now is the Diocese of South Carolina to do?  At the core of that decision making process is the question of where God is calling us to minister.  Will God call us to faithfully fulfill our mission within the structures of The Episcopal Church or apart from it?  It would seem that this decision is very difficult.  And yet, many have made the question easier than it should be.  It would seem that for many in our Diocese there simply is no choice.  There is no choice, because they refuse to acknowledge the validity of our brothers and sisters in the ACNA.  The objections of orthodox Episcopalians to recognize the ACNA all seem to revolve around issues of catholicity.  Before we begin to discuss the soundness of the ACNA in a church which values catholicity, we need to first define how it is that our church defines catholicity.  It is the aim of this paper to briefly articulate the historical understanding of catholicity in the foundations of the Anglican Church and then apply them to our current situation.

If you ask the average informed lay person what it means when we as Anglicans lay claim to catholicity, you are likely to get some reference to how we worship, our liturgy, the frequency of Holy Communion.  If you ask a priest, you are more likely to hear about our structure, the three fold order of ministry, and especially bishops in apostolic succession.  The question arises, is this how early Anglicans viewed Catholicity?  In other words, does Anglicanism mark the Church as that society which is governed by Deacons, Priests, and Bishops ordained under apostolic succession in communion with a historic see (The Archbishop of Canterbury for example)?

At first glance, it would seem so.  We have bishops.  We have Apostolic Succession.  And we have an archbishop.  If we were to stop our examination there, I believe we would be greatly misled as to what the architects of the Anglican Church thought about what the church is.  In order to uncover the ecclesiology of our church, the question we need to be asking is not, “how does our church look,” but rather, “how has ecclesiology been expressed historically in the Anglican Church?”  In order to address that question, we will look primarily at three sources, The Articles of Religion, John Jewel’s Apology of the Church of England, and Richard Hooker’s Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity.

First let me explain why these sources are so important for our task.  Under Henry VIII, the future shape of the Church in England was very tenuous.  Henry was a devout Catholic prior to his divorce from Catherine of Aragon even writing tracts defending catholic doctrines.  Following the departure of the Church of England out from under the Pope’s leadership, however, several Anglican bishops arose who held decidedly Protestant views.  The result was that the Church of England was in a constant pendulum swing between Protestantism and Catholicism.

Henry VIII was succeeded first by his son Edward VI, who reigned from 1547 to 1553, and then Mary I, who reigned from 1553 to 1558.  Edward acceded to the throne as a young boy.  Edward’s youth left it open for the Protestant bishops to take control and force reform on the Church of England.  During Edward’s reign, the Church of England reached the pinnacle of Calvinistic Reform.  After Edward’s death, Mary took control and forced the church in the opposite direction.  Thus from its separation from Rome in the 1530’s until the end of Queen Mary’s reign, the identity of the Anglican Church was up in the air.

Elizabeth’s reign, then, saw the solidification of an Anglican identity pitted against Rome on the one hand and the disestablished church on the other.  It was to be a church of decidedly Protestant Doctrine under a traditional ecclesiastical structure.  Strikingly, the Church of England is one of the only Protestant bodies to retain both the threefold order of ministry and apostolic succession.  Was it then in the mind of the Anglican Reformers that these elements were essential to the nature of the Church?

First we turn to the Articles of Religion.  This confession functioned as the official theology of the Church of England well into its inception.  In fact, English clergy still legally have to ascribe to the Articles, yet there are many who simply pay them lip service.  If we are to discover what the classical ecclesiology of the Anglican Church is, it would help us to examine the Anglican Church’s classical statement of faith.

Surprisingly, the 39 Articles are silent in reference to apostolic succession and they only briefly mention ordering the church with bishops, priests, and deacons.  The Articles do however give a definition of the Church.  Article XIX states “The visible Church of Christ is a congregation of faithful men, in the which the pure Word of God is preached, and the Sacraments be duly ministered according to Christ’s ordinance in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same.”[2] It could be debated that this only refers to the local church and not to the church catholic.  But compare it to the Belgic Confession, the oldest of Reformed confessions drafted in 1561, just two years prior to the drafting of the 39 Articles.  Article 27 on the Holy Catholic Church states “We believe and confess one single catholic or universal church– a holy congregation and gathering of true Christian believers, awaiting their entire salvation in Jesus Christ being washed by his blood, and sanctified and sealed by the Holy Spirit.”[3] Note the similarity.  The church (catholic, not local) here is defined as a congregation under the lordship of Jesus.  In other words, the church is united not by its ecclesiastical structure but the proclamation of Jesus.

This similarity runs through almost all of the Reformed confessions of the 16th century.  While some differences occur, time and time again the Church catholic is defined as the gathering of the faithful.  In its article on “Of The Catholic and Holy Church of God, and of The One Only Head of The Church”, the Second Helvetic Confession defines the church in this way, “The Church is an assembly of the faithful called or gathered out of the world; a communion, I say, of all saints, namely, of those who truly know and rightly worship and serve the true God in Christ the Savior, by the Word and holy Spirit, and who by faith are partakers of all benefits which are freely offered through Christ.”  The 1644 London Baptist Confession of Faith states that the church “as it is visible to us, is a company of visible saints, called and separated from the world, by the Word and the Spirit of God, to the visible profession of the faith of the Gospel, being baptized into the faith, and joined to the Lord, and each other, by mutual agreement, in the practical enjoyment of the ordinances, commanded by Christ their head and King.”  In almost the same wording as the 39 articles, the Augsburg Confession states, “the Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered.”  While there are some differences between these confessions, the point stands that the definition of the church in the 39 Articles definitely comes from the same theological trajectory as the Reformed Churches.  Now contrast that with the Council of Trent’s statement on the threefold order of ministry.  “If any one saith, that, in the Catholic Church there is not a hierarchy by divine ordination instituted, consisting of bishops, priests, and ministers; let him be anathema.”[4] Why, if the framers of the Church of England held a catholic ecclesiology, does their definition of the church more closely resemble those of the Reformation confessions than any catholic definition?  It would be logical to conclude that the Anglican Reformers had no sense that Apostolic Succession was necessary for the life of the Church.

We get more insight into how Anglicans identified themselves in opposition to the Roman Church in the works of John Jewel.  Jewel’s An Apology of the Church of England is the first systematic apology for the Church of England written against the Roman Catholics.  In part II of his apology, Jewel affirms several catholic doctrines to show that the Church of England is not some new sect, but rather has continuity with the past.  And yet it is striking, as he seeks to convince the Roman Catholics that the Church of England is part of the true Catholic Church, he does not once make reference to the church’s apostolic succession.  Rather, Jewel insists that the Anglican Church is the Church because the word is rightly preached there.  The Romans accused them of letting any man be a priest or minister.  Jewel points out that the Church of England lawfully appoints ministers, but did not mention their apostolic succession.[5] He even cites the fact that the Church of England is ordered with bishops, priests, and deacons, “Furthermore, (we believe) that there be divers degrees of ministers in the church, whereof some be deacons, some priests, some bishops, to whom is committed the office to instruct the people and the whole charge and setting forth of religion.”[6] And yet although it would give credence to his argument he refuses to mention apostolic succession.

Not only does he fail to use the remaining apostolic succession in the Church of England as a proof of her validity, he actually speaks against it as a sign of authenticity.  Justo Gonzalez says, “even after the Elizabethan settlement, Jewel responded to Catholic arguments: ‘Succession, you say, is the chief way for any Christian man to avoid anti-christ.  I grant you, if you mean succession of doctrine!”[7] Jewel seems to be little concerned with any Episcopal succession from the apostles besides that of the faith once delivered.

Moreover, it can be easily gleaned from Jewel’s work that the church is defined not by structure, but by faith.  He challenges the Roman Church to produce some sign by which they can prove that they are the church.  “I wis it is not so hard a matter to find out God’s church, if a man will seek it earnestly and diligently,” he says, “For the church of God is set upon a high and glistering place, in the top of an hill, and built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets.”[8] By the apostles and prophets he makes clear he means the Scriptures.  It is not only the Bible, but right doctrine which is essential to the church.  He quotes St Cyprian saying, “for,’ saith he, ‘that is not peace but war; neither is he joined unto the church which is severed from the Gospel.”[9] And again Jewel states, “God’s grace is promised to a good mind and to one that feareth God, not unto sees and successions.”[10] Thus it is easy to surmise that John Jewel, as official spokesmen for the budding Church of England, did not define the church by the order of her ministry but by the rightness of her doctrine.

Jewel is not the only Elizabethan writing on the church in those days.  We must also look to Richard Hooker.  Hooker followed John Jewel and held a similar task.  Hooker was charged with defending the Church of England against many of her Puritan critics.  The puritan party was so named because of their desire to reform the Church of England more deeply.  One of the chief issues they took with the Established Church was the threefold order of ministry.  Many Puritans criticized the Episcopacy as un-biblical and papalistic.  Much of Hooker’s work is consumed with defending the order of ministry against assaults from the Puritans.

Hooker’s work, The Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, is of a marked more gentle and charitable tone than Jewel’s.  Hooker accedes much to the Puritans, even at some points acknowledging that Presbyterian government is an acceptable biblical model of church governance.[11] In fact, it would appear that Hooker’s argument for Episcopal orders is very simply this, it works for us!  It is a principle of the English Reformation that the Church does not have to look exactly the same everywhere.  Thus, Hooker accuses the puritans of only desiring to remove themselves as far as possible from the Pope.  He says, “But a greater inconvenience it bred, that every later endeavoured to be certain degrees more removed from conformity with the church of Rome, than the rest before had been: whereupon grew marvelous great dissimilitudes, and by reason thereof, jealousies, heart-burnings, jars, and discords amongst them.”[12] Thus, Hookers apology to the puritans is not that the Episcopal church is a more valid church than the Presbyterian church because of their catholic orders.  Rather, Hooker pleads with the puritans to allow a diversity of opinion allowed in the structure of the church.[13]

In fact, Hooker works hard to prove that church order is not essential to the nature of the church.  He states that the whole debate is “of outward things appertaining to the Church of Christ, than of any thing wherein the nature and being of the Church consisteth…”[14] In other words, the order of the church (other than that there should be some order)[15] is not essential to the church’s existence.  In fact, Hooker goes to great lengths to establish that there is a difference in degree of importance between matters of faith and matters of order.[16] He does so, because his definition of the Church is conditional not upon order, but upon doctrine.

Hooker not only defines the church, he also works to define Christian unity.  According to Hooker, the Catholic Church exists in the unity between the several different societies of churches.  Thus, “so the Catholic Church is in like sort divided into a number of distinct Societies, every of which is termed a Church within itself.”[17] All throughout the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, Hooker shows that he considers the Lutheran churches in Germany and the Huguenot churches in France to be true Churches in unity with the Catholic Church.  He does so because he holds that these societies are unified in that they hold one faith, they worship the same God, and individuals are admitted into the Church in the same baptism.  “The unity of which visible body and Church of Christ consisteth in that uniformity which all several persons thereunto belonging have, by reason of that one Lord whose servants they all profess themselves, that one Faith which they all acknowledge, that one Baptism wherewith they are all initiated.  The visible Church of Jesus Christ is therefore one, in outward profession of those things, which supernaturally appertain to the very essence of Christianity.”  Throughout his apology, Hooker never once mentions either the office of bishop or the succession from the apostles as essential either to the nature of the church or its unity.

Part II:  Conclusion

Thus it can be plainly shown that early in the Anglican Church an ecclesiology was developed, proclaimed, and made official which has fallen out of vogue in many corners of the Anglican world.  It is obvious that for the framers of the Church of England, the church was defined by the faith that was proclaimed.  Not only that, but Christian unity was explicitly linked not to any particular order or office in the church, but rather to the spiritual unity of being united to Christ by faith.

One more point must be made about this period in the churches history.  It is plainly noted that no author in the Church of England during the Elizabethan period (and few until the Oxford Movement of the 1840’s) ever envisioned that any of the other Reformed churches were any less of a church than the church of England.  It is curious then that in all of our deliberations we would fail to acknowledge a church which carries apostolic succession, a three-fold order of ministry, holds the Creeds as a sufficient statement of faith, and reveres the Scriptures as the Word of God.  To fail to extend the hand of fellowship to the ACNA because we disagree with some aspects of their ordering appears from this viewpoint to be an act, not of unity, but of disunity.

Again, it is not our purpose here to propose or dictate any way forward.  It is not even our purpose here to propose any departure from The Episcopal Church.  Our purpose is simply to articulate a sincere reservation in taking actions which appear to reward a church which is in the process of abdicating more of the Christian faith every time it meets together and which appear to punish a church which is seeking to be faithful to the same Lord that we serve.  If Christian unity is a matter of spiritual union between those who have been reborn, and if the Catholic Church is in fact the congregation of the faithful across the world and through the ages, we are already ontologically united with the ACNA by virtue of our “one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all.”[18] Why do we then continue to lie about what God has made us by failing to recognize our brothers and sisters in Christ?


[1] http://toalltheworld.blogspot.com/2009/07/decompressing.html

[2] http://anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html

[3] http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/BelgicConfession.html

[4] http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct23.html, Council of Trent Canons 23rd session canon 6.

[5] John Jewel, An Apology of the Church of England, ed. J.E. Booty, (New York: Church Publishing Incorporated, 2002), p. 26.

[6] Jewel, 24

[7] Justo Gonzalez, A History of Christian Thought: From the Protestant Reformation to the Twentieth Century, vol III, (Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1975) p. 193.

[8] Jewel, 76.

[9] Jewel, 137.

[10] Jewel, 128.

[11]Richard Hooker, Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, (Eugene, OR: Wipf and Stock, 2003), p. 80.

[12] Hooker, 81.

[13] “The one way they cannot as much as pretend, that all the parts of their own discipline are in Scripture: and the other way their mouths are stopped, when they would plead against all other forms besides their own; seeing the general principles are such as do not particularly prescribe any one, but sundry may equally be consonant unto the general axioms of the Scripture.”  Hooker, 298

[14] Hooker, 283.

[15] “And of such properties common unto all societies Christian, it may not be denied that one of the very chiefest is Ecclesiastical Polity…  Even so the necessity of polity and regiment in all Churches may be held without holding any one certain from to be necessary in them all.”  Hooker, 297.

[16] “For if matters of discipline be rightly by them distinguished from matters of doctrine, why not matters of government by us as reasonably set against matters of faith?”  Hooker, 300.

[17] Hooker, 296.

[18] Ephesians 4:5-6.

Comments
  1. Fanfare says:

    ROB ,

    Wow. Once again Rob you make a great case for the gospel centered “church” from the view of a 17th century Christian. The problem is that you refuse to live and acknowledge and in fact distain the reality of today. While you embrace this old world case, the reality is that most Christians have moved on from these Puritan moral, ethic and gospel holdings that plagued Hester Prynne. One can even postulate that this narrow view may lead to more decline in religion in America.

    I believe as do the majority Episcopalians in America,(Perhaps not in SC) that dialogue with and embracing the narrow mission of the ACNA only isolates our Diocese from the diverity of views that need to be heard, repected, an challenged by wider theological discussion. Your case certainly presents one important view, but by isolating oneself’s beliefs with the likes of ACNA you gain limited comfort and safety by preaching to the choir, and lose the opportunity to bring your case to a wider faith community.

    Additionally,your case simply ignores the reality of consequences. While theologically sound from your point of view the ACNA recognition invites consequences and that could only fracture, and divide a diocese that wants desperately to be unified. The Puritan view would perhaps think it worth while but today’s modern Christians need to be challenged and this may make us uncomfortable at times, but I believe a necessary componate of the ongoing growth of our faith.

    In Peace

    Fanfare

  2. Steve Wood says:

    Robert & Iain,
    Well done and well written! You ground your writing in Scripture, draw against the rich history of our Anglican theological heritage and then contemporize the matter by addressing the issue du jour in the church.
    I hope that our clergy colleagues will have the chance to read through this prior to our day together. It offers a wonderful framework – and content – for our discussions.
    I’m particularly thankful that you remind us that we are a Protestant and Evangelical church.

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  4. Greg Smith says:

    GREAT JOB!! Ian and I were toying with the word “catholic” earlier this week… and my conclusion is that we have two choices… Rome or ACNA. Anything less leaves us in a position that is unique in church history, Biblical theology, or reason!

  5. frshay says:

    Hey guys,

    Good read. I enjoyed the classic Anglican ecclesiology rooted in Scriptural exegesis. Be assured this classic view has had a seat “at the table” and it will continue to.

    Shay +

  6. Greg Shore says:

    Rob and Iain,
    Thank you for taking the time to delve into the subject matter and for publicly presenting it. I commend you for purposely making it accessible and understandable, even to those like me who don’t know Greek. You have expressed a passion and love for Jesus and his Church not only in what you wrote but in why you wrote. I pray that every priest in this diocese takes the time to read this.

  7. Rob and Ian,

    The ACNA has adopted a catholic ecclesiology. The ACNA constitution and canons take the view that the apostles ordained bishops to succeed them. The historic episcopate stretches back in unbroken personal succession to the apostles and is essential to the church. This view includes the manual transmission of the grace of orders through the imposition of episcopal hands. Without ordination by a bishop in “the historic succession” the exercise of a “valid”ministry or the celebration of a “valid” sacrament is impossible.

    Members of the clergy who hold views like the ones that you articulated in your article under the provisions of the ACNA foundational documents would not be able to become members of the ACNA, obtain a license to exercise their ministry in the ACNA, or be elected and consecrated a bishop of the ACNA unless they relinquished these views and subscribed to the views articulated in the ACNA constitution and canons. A group of congregations and their clergy would not be recognized as a judicatory, or diocese, of the ACNA without subscribing to the ACNA position. A congregation or a diocese would not be accepted as a ministry partner with the ACNA unless it subscribed to the ACNA position “without reservation.”

    I have had a number of discussions on the Internet with ACNA clergy and members in which I expressed similar views as those you articulated in your article. Their reaction was that such views are not “Anglican” and have no place in the ACNA.

    Around the world conservative evangelical Anglicans are calling for the recognition of the ACNA. The irony is that the ACNA has no place at its table for conservative evangelicals and classical evangelical Anglicanism. It only has a seat for “evangelicals” who sit loose to the doctrine and theology that has historically distinguished traditional evangelical Anglicanism and who can go along with the Catholic doctrinal positions of the ACNA on a number of key issues.

  8. Ricardo says:

    Question. Is it safe to assume the ACNA wants that hand to be extended. After all I thought questions of basic theology are what caused folks to leave for the ACNA. Why would those folks wanna be linked to what they left?

  9. Thank you so much for the article and insights. Finally, something of merit and discussion from a classical Reformation perspective. I have followed Robin Jordan’s discussion rather closely and the catholic ecclesiology of the ACNA-Constitution and Canons is a victory for Anglo-Catholics. I will be following this blog closely.

  10. Greg Smith says:

    “… a victory for Anglo-Catholics…” Do we really have to divide ourselves so early? Catholics and Protestants share one commonality in the Anglican Communion – Jesus. Both catholic and reformed perspectives call for a clear path out of TEC (perhaps there is a third way… but I’m honestly skeptical). We don’t have the luxury of casting stones at each other amongst ourselves. We have a common challenge… TEC Bishops who have left the Faith once delivered. If we can come together against that… then the Church (visible and invisible) wins. If we can’t… we all lose.

  11. Anglo-Catholics serve a different Jesus and another gospel. The Jesus of Holy Scripture merited eternal life for His people and died to save His people from their sins on the basis of faith and faith alone, apart from any good works whatsoever.

    Charlie

  12. Dave says:

    Fanfare –
    Wow. I just love your snide little quips like the quotation marks around “church”, your use of “Puritan” as a pejorative, and relegating these well reasoned remarks to the 17th century, without acknowledging that they are just as valid in the 18th, 19th, 20th, and (yes) the 21st as well. Not to mention your total failure to adequately address even one of these arguments except to cast stones at the author.

    Now how to reply… Not much to say, really except:

    “Wow. Once again you make a great case for the “church” from the view of a 4th century . The problem is that you refuse to live and acknowledge and in fact distain the reality of . While you embrace this old world case, the reality is that most Christians have moved on from these moral, ethic and gospel holdings that plagued . One can even postulate that this narrow view may lead to more decline in religion in America. …

    Additionally,your case simply ignores the reality of consequences. While theologically sound from your point of view the invite consequences and that could only fracture, and divide a diocese that wants desperately to be unified. The view would perhaps think it worth while but today’s modern Christians need to be challenged and this may make us uncomfortable at times, but I believe a necessary componate of the ongoing growth of our faith.”

    In Peace

    Dave.

  13. Dave says:

    OOPS! Comes with web illiteracy. My insertions didn’t work. Let’s try this again.

    Wow. Once again you make a great case for the -Episcopal- “church” from the view of a 4th century -Arian-. The problem is that you refuse to live and acknowledge and in fact distain the reality of -post Nicene Christianity-. While you embrace this old world case, the reality is that most Christians have moved on from these -Arian and agnostic- moral, ethic and gospel holdings that plagued -Athanasius-. One can even postulate that this narrow view may lead to more decline in religion in America. …

    Additionally,your case simply ignores the reality of consequences. While theologically sound from your point of view the -Episcopal innovations- invite consequences and that could only fracture, and divide a diocese that wants desperately to be unified. The -Arian- view would perhaps think it worth while but today’s modern Christians need to be challenged and this may make us uncomfortable at times, but I believe a necessary componate of the ongoing growth of our faith.”

    In Peace

    Dave.

  14. Greg Smith says:

    Charlie – Catholics (Anglo, or otherwise) believe the same Gospel that all Anglicans do. They are mistaken on some things… but not on Jesus. This is why we receive them with a handshake rather than re-baptize them.

  15. Greg,
    I do not not know what web sites you frequent but I keep running into Anglo-Catholic ACNA members and clergy who do not want to give those who genuinely stand in the evangelical and Reformed tradition of Anglicanism a place at the ACNA table. They are characterized those who stand in that tradition as “extremists,” “a fringe element,” “a lunatic fringe,” “outside the mainstream of Anglicanism,” “un-Anglican,” “heretical,” and worse. On one hand, these Anglo-Catholics expect evangelicals to put up with or go along with the Catholic position on a number of key issues that historically have divided Catholic Anglicans and Reformed Anglican. On the other hand, they display no tolerance whatsoever for the Reformed position on these issues.

    I have proposed a new, more generic set of fundamental declarations (see below) that would help make the ACNA more genuinely comprehensive, open to a broader range of orthodox theological points of view. They are quite resistent to the proposal. They prefer the existing fundamental declarations which mandate the Catholic position or a Catholic position on the historic episcopate, the Anglican formularies, and other key issues or favor Catholic doctrine and theology.

    1. The Anglican Church in North America is a voluntary association of autonomous and self-governing dioceses within the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ, worshiping the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, united under one Divine Head, and dedicated to the proclamation of the good news of Jesus Christ and the advancement of God’s Kingdom.

    2. We hold the Christian faith as professed by the Church of Christ from primitive times and in particular as set forth in the Catholic Creeds and the Anglican Formularies, that is, the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion, the Book of Common Prayer, and the Form and Manner of Making, Ordaining, and Consecrating of Bishops, Priests, and Deacons issued by the Church of England in 1662.

    3. We receives all the Canonical Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as being the Word of God written and the supreme and final authority in all matters of faith and life of the Church, given by the inspiration of God and containing all things necessary for salvation.

    4. We maintain inviolate these orders of ministers in Christ’s Church–Bishops, Priests, or Presbyters, and Deacons—which offices have been known from the apostles’ time and have always been regarded as worthy of great honor.

    5. We are determined by the help of God to uphold and preserve the Doctrine, Sacraments, and Discipline of Christ as the Lord has commanded in his Holy Word, and as the Church of England has received and set forth in its Formularies; and to transmit the same unimpaired to our posterity.

    6. We seek to be and desire to continue in full communion with all Anglican Churches, Dioceses, and Provinces holding the historic Christian faith and maintaining the aforesaid Doctrine, Sacraments, and Discipline of Christ.

  16. Fanfare says:

    Dave,
    Wow, thanks for the re-write. Of course my point was that Rob and Iain’s case might have a wider discourse and response on the larger stage of TEC where differing views and outcomes might be more unpredictable. More importantly, their case might resonate enough to persuade others in the TEC whose voices are still on the side lines.

  17. Fellows,

    May the Lord direct your steps.

    Your “biblical” view in no way can be separated from the so-called “institution” of the Church. The Lord, after all, left not a Book–in the first instance–but a Body, the Holy Church. The Early Church lived out the “institution” you seem to reject in your preliminary words, precisely according to Acts 2:42–and the “Apostolic Teaching” was, indeed, preserved through and guaranteed by the Episcopate. There is no such thing in Christian History as a “spiritual” unity of belief that is somehow separated from the Episcopate, whose task it is “rightly to divide the word of truth.” Read irenaeus, please and Ignatius, for starters, please.

    It is likewise disingenuous to attempt to interpret the NT “in and of itself” without reference, as you claim, to any particular “theological tradition”. The NT *is* a theological tradition–the Christian Theological tradition. But even the NT can only be read from within the context of the life of the Church. Therefore, it is also evident, that your interpretations cannot be other than grounded in your own personal theological principles and experience, which is why you argue for a (nearly) spiritual unity, apart from Apostolic Succession, which, in all instances must always have been both/and tactile/content of the faith matter.

    The main reason for which you believe that “bishop doesn’t necessarily equal church” is because you have yet to experience the Church in which the Bishops do, in fact, universally and without question, teach the faith once for all delivered, without variance, and when failing to do so are swiftly disciplined.

    Come and see.

    Fr John Parker
    Holy Ascension Orthodox Church
    Mt Pleasant, SC
    http://www.ocacharleston.org
    frjohn@ocacharleston.org

  18. Greg, your observations about division, e.g. Roman and True Catholic, will not work in an historic Anglican approach. Rome’s Gospel is not, repeat, not the same as the Confessional Reformed approach. Although the Nicene Creed is repeated in Roman contexts, it is a vitiated profession. Calvin, amongst many, many others wisely noted, “If we could but settle for a half-Christ, we could sue for peace with Rome.” Your thesis of commonality with Rome and the same Gospel is not going to work well with those who are grounded in the Reformation in general and the English Reformation in particular.

  19. Robin:

    I continue to be surprised by anyone who is surprised that the Anglo-Romewardizers, e.g. SSC-Churchmen and FiF, would not advocate for the supremacy of themselves…that is, like Romanists, in their extended sense of themselves with themselves from beginning to end. Rt. Rev. Paul Hewitt, SSC, in one post is but one example of the continuuing, incredible hubris of an Anglo-Romewardizer. It was pretty stunning actually. They are Romewardizing (and not just on ecclesiology either). They, like Iker and Ackerman, pushed their point with the AC-NA Canons and Constitutions and their Romeward ecclesiology “took the field.” There is no surprise to me in this.

    As an aside to that point, what does that say about the other leaders who allowed this? Men who might take the term “Reformed and Anglican?”

    I also express surprise that anyone is surprised by their gratituous “ad hominems” against Reformed Anglicanism. I’ve heard enough of the same. It is always the same: “we are more fully Catholic.” And there has been some snide things said.

    I also am surprised by the yielding of term “Catholic” to Anglo-Catholics, as if the Church of England in its reformation doctrines was not Catholic. Is the term “Romewardizer” not more accurate?

    I also am somewhat surprised, in one post above (Robin, not your’s), by the expression “commonality” with Rome such that collaborative theological enterprises, e.g. preaching the Gospel, Sacraments, inter alia, would be used to table discussion. “Let’s all be civil and forget those divisive matters of the past.” It’s amnesia; it is a failure of education on the issues? Of the Reformation?

    These are the continuing and unresolved problems of the past; I can understand if the pew is confused, but we are talking about the leaders here.

  20. limabean03 says:

    Fr. Parker,

    Sorry your post was not immediately published. For some reason wordpress marked it as spam and I had to approve it before it went up. Hopefully it will not happen again.

    Thank you for your contribution. I think if you will go back and read the first paragraph (as well as the title!) we acknowledge that our theological tradition no doubt influences our exegesis. Do you not think that your tradition influences your exegesis? None of us can come to the text without baggage.

    I cannot help but interpret your plea to read Irenaeus and Ignatius as unhelpful. You assume that since we do not share your convictions we are simply not theologically well read. I indeed have read both Irenaeus as well as Ignatius amongst many other church fathers when I studied them in the original languages while at Oxford University. So too has my co-writer and colleague Iain Boyd when he studied at the very fine Anglo-Catholic seminary at Nashotah House, Wisconsin. The problem is not that we have not read the sources, but that we remain unconvinced by them. I will extend the courtesy to you that you have read beyond your theological tradition. Perhaps you will extend the same courtesy to me?

    much love in Christ,
    Rob Sturdy

  21. John Parker:

    You said:

    “The main reason for which you believe that “bishop doesn’t necessarily equal church” is because you have yet to experience the Church in which the Bishops do, in fact, universally and without question, teach the faith once for all delivered, without variance, and when failing to do so are swiftly disciplined.”

    What’s wrong with your statement?

    Philip

  22. Rob,

    Thank you for your comments.

    I am delighted that you have read Irenaeus and Ignatius, and even “in their original languages”, and I am saddened that you are “not convinced by them”. I am not making any claim to be without “baggage” in the Orthodox interpretation of the Scriptures and the Fathers; I am saying, in fact, however arrogant it may sound, that the Orthodox interpretation *is* the interpretation, precisely because it is fully *our family* and *our family’s “book”*. Remember, apart from the Letter to the Romans and the Churches which are now defunct (Galatia, Ephesus) the majority of the Epistles are written to Churches which remain Orthodox to this day.

    I’m sad also because we (I was born and raised Episcopalian and have fine TESM Reformed Credentials, serving my curacy at Holy Cross on Sullivan’s Island) were trained in our Protestant schools to place ourselves above Irenaeus, Ignatius, Chrysostom, Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian etc, to the point where we could say, “They were wrong.” What complete lunacy! I was so moved when I read the One-time founder and leader of Campus Crusade for Christ say, “We came to the realization that we had to stop judging history, and let history judge us.” Which, by extension, he also intended, “We came to a realization that we had to stop judging the Church and let the Church judge us.”

    The point I am making is that it is disingenous to take the sola-scriptura position (which itself is not Scriptural!) to defend or reject whether or not the Church is properly constituted by the Episcopate.

    Again, I suggest that this is because one hasn’t (and can’t fathom the possibility) that the first century Church is still alive and well today: Bishops, Priests, Deacons, faithful, liturgy, sacraments, prayers, lex orandi, all of it, so that we can simply live as Christians and not have debates like these….

    Thank you for your kindness in posting my comments; My heart breaks for you because I have been there and almost died on that hill, and it is not necessary!

    Your servant in Christ,

    Fr John

  23. limabean03 says:

    Fr. Parker,

    Thank you again for thoughtful and moving comments.

    Nevertheless we are again at odds! Simply because I don’t receive Ignatius’ use of “catholic” in his letter to Smyrna does not mean I am placing myself above the church. I’m actually quite happy with Irenaeus’ definition of apostolic succession as it depends not only on the laying on of hands but in a rarely quoted passage in “Adversus Haereses” it also depends upon faithfulness of doctrine and lifestyle.

    I place myself “under” the church by receiving the historic creeds as a sufficient statement of faith. Furthermore, the fathers are a regular part of my devotional life and preaching preparation. In terms of being “under” the church, it is of course interesting to note that by the time of the Reformation, John Calvin will use the fathers 14 to 1 to support his theological convictions over and against his R.C. counterparts. Talk about placing yourself “under the church!” When the reformers use “Sola Scriptura” they don’t mean “just me an my Bible” as any cursory reading of the reformed or later Lutheran writings easily enough demonstrate. I’m afraid your use of sola scriptura in your previous comment is a bit of a caricature.

    I suppose to distill the one theological conviction that will illustrate why you and I will probably never come to terms on this, I believe that the reformation was a return to the historic doctrines of the church not a departure from them. I will admit however that on some points the Reformers acknowledged that in some regards the fathers erred (I would be stunned if you did not admit to some errors by the early church fathers).

    As a final note, I’m thankful for your compassion. Please know that my family and I are quite happy in Christ. I’m not dying on any hill, though I understand why some would. At this moment in my life his grace is sufficient and I am quite thankful.

    Many rich blessings to you and yours,
    Rob Sturdy

  24. metamorphmind says:

    I just want to weigh in on a number of the comments made very quickly. The case that we laid out was not that all Anglicans should accept our position on what the church is, rather that our position is valid within the sphere of Anglicanism. It has been my experience that most self-professed evangelicals right now leave all thinking on the church to the anglo-catholics. This should not be so! The Scriptural Gospel is much more robust than that of many evangelicals. Part of that Gospel is that you are saved into a body. Should we not define what that body is? Finally, some have been perceiving this paper as a move to isoloate ourselves from the wider church. Nothing can be farther from the truth. I fear that the current trajectory, largely based on anglo-catholic ecclesiology will only serve to sever us from the wider church (i.e. ACNA). If we refuse to acknowledge the ACNA I fear that we will not be moving towards a biblical catholicity, but away from it. some of you may still not agree with us, but know that our intention was very simply to seek to establish a place at the table for evangelicals.

    In Christ,
    Iain Boyd

  25. Dave says:

    Fanfare –
    Thank you for the gentle and civilized rejoinder. Your second post makes an excellent point although I have little hope for the “larger stage of TEK”. I think that the relevant dialog has now shifted to the Diocese and Parishes. TEK has spoken at GC and it is now for each Diocese, Parish and Individual to determine how they will respond.

    True, respectful dialog is always of value, even (and usually especially) if we do not share the same point of view. Of late this has been sadly lacking. We have had only edgy monologues passing in opposite directions. After all, it took the Bishops over 50 years to work through the issues raised in the council of Nicaea.

    Having said that, at some point it often becomes necessary for parties to agree to disagree. If the point at issue is foundational to the faith rather than a peripheral matter, it may even be necessary for them to walk apart. This is what we are seeing in the current Episcopal crisis. The bedrock of people’s faith is being challenged. Any future dialog must recognize this. Both tempers and margins for error are thin.

    The national church may take a devil-may-care approach, but the diocese and parishes cannot. They are painfully aware that a church is, in the end, a voluntary organization.

    The author’s comment about extending a hand to ACNA (and other denominations for that matter) and recognizing them as fellow Christians expresses a noble sentiment and is what we (as Christians) should be about. Unfortunately, before that can occur, a lot of political dust must settle.
    First, The national church has to focus less on being “Episcopal” and more on being Christian. If you have a clear message and a clear focus the brand recognition bit takes care of itself. If TEC gets its own house in order, it needn’t worry about ACNA or anyone else “stealing” its people. There are more than enough un-churched people in America to keep all denominations busy for a long time to come.
    Secondly, the relationship between ACNA and TEC must stabilize. That won’t happen for years. People, parishes and even diocese are still figuring out how to respond to GC and the course the national leadership has set. This will lead some to reduce support for the national church and others to leave it altogether. Law suits and Anglican infighting will further ensure that we are diverted from spreading the word to the most unseemly fights over property and “things”. Pain and injury run deep on both sides of that divide.

    Here again, it will be for individuals and parishes first, followed by the Diocese and finally the national churches to move toward reconciliation. With courage and Christian love, individuals and neighboring parishes can reconcile, even while diocese and denominations are still at each other’s throats.

    Your brother in Christ,
    Dave.

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  27. Rob,

    Thank you for your peace-filled words, as well. However, we are not at odds because we are not arguing my opinion against yours. We are taking your opinion against 2000 years (mas o menos) of Orthodox Christian teaching.

    How, for example, can one not take the word “Catholic” as Ignatius meant it, if for example, he coined the term? How could, for example, “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic” mean basically anything other than what it meant when it was written?

    It is also true, as you say, that Calvin quoted “the Fathers”, and quite thoroughly Augustine. Lots of people quote the Fathers–but quoting 14 to 1 doesn’t guarantee unity with what was always believed. In fact, in the Orthodox world, Calvinism is actually a condemned heresy.

    The point you make about Irenaeus is pricisely the point I was making in my first post, however (unfortunately) gruff it came across. From the first centuries, the Episcopate is 1) according to the Scriptures 2) the basis of the structure of the visible church and 3) given by the laying on of hands *and* the passing down of the Canon (as Irenaeus uses it) of Faith, wherein he basically articulates a rudimentary Creed.

    The problem, among many, in Anglicanism, is that because of a lack of unity from the earliest days of the Reformation in Ecclesiology and Liturgical theology (the Prayerbook has, more or less, held things together externally, but not internally speaking) when Modernism hit the Anglican Church, there was no where to go but a slippery slope.

    It is the Orthodox Church that the Anglican Reformers (and others) were hoping to “go back to” (even if they couldn’t name it, though some did, including Luther, who was not received into communion with the Orthodox precisely because he did not share the fullness of the faith once delivered) but never arrived.

    I am glad to hear of your diet of the Fathers for devotional and preaching purposes. And there is no question that even the Church Fathers erred. Orthodoxy does not teach any infallible man. However, the question remains: who judges when the Fathers erred? You? Me? No. The Church.

    Do you recite the Filioque with the Nicene Creed? If so, on what grounds? The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed was ammended by the Pope of Rome independently. It is not a part of the received Creed, and it is contrary to the Scriptures. And if you change it back, on what basis–if all the rest of the Churches with whom you commune don’t?

    Finally, on what basis do you believe the Reformation was a return to the historic doctrines of the Church? Who judges that? It presupposes that A) Reformers know best and B) there was no Church to check with. However, I remind you that the majority of NT Epistle were written to Churches which have been Orthodox since that time, never departed the faith with the Roman Church, and teach, practice, pray, and sing the “historic doctrines” that the Reformers were looking for–in some cases finding and in some cases missing big time. (What would you say, for example, is the *early church doctrine* on what is received in the Eucharist?)

    Rob, thank you for reading my words. Forgive me if I have offended you in how I have chosen them and articulated this post. If you find yourself in Mt Pleasant, give a call. I’d appreciate meeting you.

    And, FWIW, I was being considered assistant for Holy Trinity prior to our entrance into the Orthodox Church and prior to Mark’s departure for another parish…hmmm.

    May the Lord direct your deliberations today.

    Your servant in Christ,

    Fr John Parker

  28. nannykim says:

    Iain and Rob,

    Thanks for your work in putting this out there for us to read. It is very helpful. I am a bit concerned about Robin’s comment here–“I keep running into Anglo-Catholic ACNA members and clergy who do not want to give those who genuinely stand in the evangelical and Reformed tradition of Anglicanism a place at the ACNA table. They are characterized those who stand in that tradition as “extremists,” “a fringe element,” “a lunatic fringe,” “outside the mainstream of Anglicanism,” “un-Anglican,” “heretical,” and worse.”

  29. Bruce Geary says:

    I agree with Rob and Iain. Unity must be in Jesus Christ as the orthodox Christian Church believes it. Without it, the church is just another secular institution. I also agree that we are not trying to preserve an institution but the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The question we all have to face is what is the Church going to be in the 21st Century? Is it going to be another service organization or is it going to be centered on the Good News of Jesus Christ. Are we going to know the truth and live the truth by the power of the Holy Spirit? God bless you are in my prayers.

  30. Keith Bowling says:

    When I decided, after a couple years of hit and miss attendance, to become a real member of Trinity Church, it was because I wanted to understand the words Anglican, Episcopal. I saw a rich tradition that helped me understand my roots as a Christian and that there was quite a bit more to my faith than evangelizing the world only. I had been a very real part of Evangelicalism (as I understand it) and realized that I had been sold a heavy bunch of doctrinal beliefs but no real understanding of the early Church and it’s foundation.

    Now I see and hear many Episcopalians who are excited about a style of worship that I came from. Oh yes, I still get moved by the “concert” type religion with the raising of holy hands and the emotional push to believe. At that time, I somehow felt I was deeper in my faith than those who seemed to show no emotion in church. However, I later saw them that believed that there was a liturgy that kept us all on the same page.

    I know I don’t sound very intellectual in my writing here. However, it’s my understanding that there are those who want to be Evangelical and they want the full of Episcopals to go with them. Why not just go to the kind of church worship that feels the same way you do? instead of trying for force us to change to your way of thinking?

    I may be wrong, but it seems like those in leadership positions within our denomination, want us all to continue to grow in God’s grace. As the Holy Spirit guides them (like He did those in days of old), there will be more of God’s grace that we will all understand. I would hope that we would all pray for God to lead our leaders and we would get behind them with our support. Why is it that many of us pray for General Convention, then when it doesn’t go the way we had hoped, then we believe God didn’t either answer or there were people who stood in the way. I pray for God to have His way in my life, then I believe He does!

  31. danny says:

    Sounds like the orthodox dude agrees with Bishop Schiori that salvation is through the church and not individuals. Perhaps he’s attempting to steal sheep from the wrong side of the debate??

  32. Danny,

    I presume that I am the “Orthodox dude” you refer to in your post. If so, I’ll bite.

    That there is “No salvation outside the Church” is a very early Christian teaching. Ignatius of Antioch, if memory serves. How can there be? How can someone be saved apart from the Body of Christ, which is the Church?

    It might also be helpful to ponder this quote, from a Russian Orthodox priest, “The only place one can go alone is hell.” There is no salvation apart from the community of faith, the Church. Where, for example, is it written in the whole OT, which is the foreshadowing of the Church in the people of Israel, that anyone was “saved” as an individual? There were folks that “didn’t get in” to the promised land (Even *Moses* comes to mind) as individuals, but no one *got in* as a result of his own, personal faith, apart from his consituent membership in “Israel”. Well, if the Church is the New Israel, change the changeable.

    Likewise, though, we must always remember, God alone is the judge of the living and the dead, and He will save whomever He pleases. We can rest assured in a few things though: 1) He is God and You and I are not. 2) There is no way to the Father but through Christ, and Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life, therefore, *anyone* whom God saves will be saved through Jesus Christ 3) I can judge no one’s salvation, including my own because A) see number 1 above and B) According to our Lord Jesus Christ, “He who endures to the end shall be saved”–and I am not yet at the end!

    Believe me, I am not interested in stealing *any* sheep. I am, however, very interested that the sheep know the True Shepherd, and they know which pen is safely His. In fact, as a priest I am bound to do so. It is my vocation.

    Your servant in Christ,

    Fr John
    frjohn (at) ocacharleston (dot) org

  33. metamorphmind says:

    Fr. John, you raise a number of interesting points. I’m sure we can both agree that we’ve spent hours wrestling with how we can know if we’re in the true church. I think the most important issue you raised is “when the Fathers are wrong, to whom do we turn.” You would say the Orthodox Church, and that is certainly one way to look at it. However, I would have to say that that ignores a major Catholic Doctrine, i.e. the plenary inspiration of Scripture. No Catholic Church has ever denied that the Scriptures are the inspired word of God. If that is true, then I believe many Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians should give much more credence, and even reverence, to the Scriptures than they often do. When Justin Martyr articulates a position that sounds very much like modalism to me, to whom do I turn? First, I must turn to the Scriptures. After that I can turn to whatever theological tradition I choose (you would turn to the Orthodox Church, I would turn to Reformed Christianity and the ecumenical councils). However, I fear to ignore God’s inspired word in this debate is dangerous at best and deadly at worst. I’m not trying to imply that the Orthodox don’t believe in God’s Word, I’m just saying that when the first recourse in a debate is not to what we know to actually have been breathed out by God in such a way that it cannot err in regards to doctrine, we show ourselves to believe that the Church is more reliable than God’s Word. When we do that, we not only place ourselves on unsolid ground, but I believe we do unspeakable dishonor to the God who inspired those Scriptures. I realize the quick rejoinder is “where is sola scriptura found in scripture”. Up until now I have not been speaking of sola scriptura, but prima scriptura. We can all agree that the Scriptures are God’s spoken word, why can’t our debate begin there?

  34. Greg Smith says:

    After that I can turn to whatever theological tradition I choose…

    Fr. John is teaching a very important lesson to American Christians… and that is that The Body of Christ is a real and structural entity that we must be a part of. Ephesians, for that matter, demands it.

    Fr. John goes too far, of course, into a rigorist position that we Anglicans and Catholics have rejected now for 1500 years. Calvinism may indeed be a heresy… but so is an Orthodoxy which can not see the Body of Christ outside of itself. Heresy is going too far… which Fr. John does on a regular basis. (Love you John… just not seeing the Grace and Mercy).

    The True Shepherd is the head of the Church. Indeed. Let’s show some grace with our interpretations of how the rest of the Body is formulated… for Scripture and Tradition have a certain breadth that is allowed.

    Blessings,

    Fr. Greg+

  35. Metamorph—we are not debating–I should say I am not debating–the veneration or reverence or reliability or trustworthiness of the Holy Scriptures–not at all. I *am* suggesting that private interpretation is a death-blow. Look around, por favor.

    When you are reading Justin Martyr and encounter something like modalism, well–it just might be so. But give the guy a break also, since modalism was not understood and determined a heresy until after his time! While we can certainly trust the first 300 years of Christians to have delivered the deposit faithfully, the nuances of Trinitarian Theology were not clarified officially until beginning with Nicaea.

    What I am suggesting is that when we interpret the Scriptures, we interpret them with and through the Church. It is how, for example, we know that the Galatian 3 passage about “as many as have been baptized…” has nothing to do with women’s ordination. Or men’s for that matter.

    We Christians are NOT at liberty to interpret the Scriptures in isolation.

    Likewise, I would say, why would anyone trust the Ecumenical Councils (especially if they pick and choose which ones) if they do not trust the Church which produced and contained the very fathers whose teachings we receive as Ecumenical?

    Also, to pit the Church against the Scriptures is a dangerous, Western, Reformation era conundrum. There is no *Scriptures* without the Church, there is no *Church* without the Scriptures. There was no Bible as we know it for centuries!

    Fr Greg–Thanks for your parenthetical love… I’m sorry that my words are not heard with any grace. I truly am–that is why such a discussion should be in a room where folks can hear my heart-sick tone of voice and see my facial expressions of compassion. This is not an arrogance contest. And may the Lord deliver me from myself, especially if I lead someone astray by my attitude. As for the teachings of the Church, I cannot apologize for those! (I’m not sure how you claim that Anglicans and Catholics have rejected Ignatius for 1500 years. The teaching appears in the RC Catechism to this day (See RC Catechism sections 846-848); I’d guess Anglo-Catholics have never rejected it; I’d suspect only the Evangelicals and Reformers have, but that would only be 450 years…)

    Heresy, btw, is not “going to far”. Heresy, as is listed in Galatians as a “work of the flesh (RSV “party spirit”, Greek heiresis, heresy) is dividing the Church from within. Schori, from within the ECUSA, for example, is a heretic. Stating the teaching of Ignatius of Antioch, explaining what it means, and describing the the Orthodox Church believes it is hardly heresy. BTW, it may be of comfort to hear this:

    The Orthodox Church is very clear in its belief that it is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Not one of three branches, not one of two lungs, but the One.(Is Christ divided? Can a head have many bodies?) She believes herself to have continued in the Apostolic teaching to this day, without adding to it or subtracting from it. We would say very clearly also, “We can say where the Holy Spirit is, but not where the Holy Spirit is not”. And by extension, “We can say where the Church is, but not where it is not.” We know it is here, and that is that.

    But, to be fair in a difficult and painful discussion, we cannot pretend that we don’t believe this for the sake of groups of folks who believe there is no *visible* church, or who believe that it is not one, but many. In fact, if I may go way out on a limb with reference to the title of Fitsimmons Allison’s book, “The Cruelty of Heresy”, it would be cruel not to say what has been taught from the beginning, and not grace to ignore or wash over it.

    I am sincerely sorry that my words are heard as rigorist. Sincerely sorry! Truth be told, I never knew grace fully until within the Orthodox Church.

    May the Lord speedily show mercy on us, beginning with me.

    Fr John Parker

  36. Metamorph–

    I neglected–please forgive me–to thank you for your kindness and your words. I’d also like to suggest a mind-blowing book entitled: “The Mystery of Christ: Life in Death” by Fr John Behr, dean of St Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary (1 800 204 BOOK). It is beautiful and concise in describing this interaction between Church, Tradition, Scriptures, from a Patristic perspective–that is, from the first century forward, not the 21st century backward. Likewise, the longer versions “Way to Nicaea” Vols 1 and 2.

    You’ll be glad you read it.

    Your servant in Christ,

    Fr John

  37. danny says:

    I looked up that “no salvation outside of the church” quote. Perhaps it’s in that apocrypha thingy. Couldn’t find that one in my concordance. 2nd Hesitations perhaps. Some times I wonder if you guys have done a little too much book learnin’. Perhaps it should better be said, “there is no salvation outside of a really smart guy telling you what the scriptures and church tradition really mean.”

    How about these guys: From RC superstar apologist Robert Sungenis’ website. Dudes can’t even agree on what they agree to agree on. I only point this out to say that the RC apologist for years have said that protestants are not unified and confused because they let their congregants read(interpret) scripture themselves. The other way ain’t working so well either.

    He was asked about a series of lectures, and Sungenis’ reply was:

    R. Sungenis: John, if they advertise in America, NCR, Commonweal, First Things, etc., then it’s the same old liberal, progressive approach to theology that has basically sucked the faith out of the Catholic Church today. It is the same liberal, modernistic theology (if you can call it theology) that is taught at Catholic University of America or Notre Dame University. Although I’m sure there are some good aspects to these lectures, knowing what I know of the lecturers, their alma maters (Georgetown University, The Jesuit School of Theology, Union Theological Seminary, Catholic Theological Union, Boston College, Franciscan School of Theology, St. Patrick’s Seminary) and their allegiance to the liberal institutions for which they write and work (The Catholic Biblical Association, Catholic Theological Society, The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, The Collegeville Bible Commentary) I could not recommend any of them to you. To a man (and woman) these teachers believe the Bible is riddled with historical and “religious” errors. Many of them wrote sections of the New Jerome Biblical Commentary edited by Fr. Raymond Brown and Fr. Joseph Fitzmyer, two of the most liberal Catholics in academia. For them, the Bible is mainly the work of man, and only a few parts were actually inspired by the Holy Spirit. They do not believe most of the historical narratives in Scripture ever took place (e.g., Adam and Eve, Noah) and they believe much of the Gospels were made up by either the evangelists or the generations that came after them. They question the resurrection of Christ, the immaculate conception of Mary, the infallibility of the pope, the existence of the devil or hell, and many other cardinal doctrines of the historic Catholic faith. In brief, these lectures are indicative of the sad state of affairs in Catholic academia and scholarship today. Today’s Catholic scholars took over where the Protestant liberals left off at the turn of the 20th century, and they are much worse than the Protestant liberals ever were. They simply do not have the traditional faith of our Fathers and medievals any longer.

    One of the signs that you may not grasp the unique, radical nature of the gospel is that you are certain that you do. –Tim Keller

    D

  38. danny says:

    The enduring community: Embracing the priority of the Church
    Habig and Newsome

    A much better treatise on the church.

  39. Erratum:

    Sorry for the misquote. “Outside the church there is no salvation”. St Cyprian of Carthage, 3rd Century. See His Epistle 72, paragraph 21. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.iv.lxxii.html

    Also consider his “On the Unity of the Church” where he makes another “rigorist” (smile, Fr Greg) comment, “He cannot have God as his Father who does not have the Church as his mother.” http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.i.html

  40. limabean03 says:

    Boys and Girls,

    I would encourage you all to remember the topic. This is a post to discern the way forward for the Diocese of S.C. in an ANGLICAN context. Please stay on topic. This sideshow actually doesn’t help those in the real “game” (especially those present at clergy day on T-Day) sort through what needs to be sorted through.

    This is not to put a stop to Fr. John’s discussion. I would invite him to reignite this discussion elsewhere on a wordpress blog of his own. I would even be happy to help him get started. When he gets it up I’ll announce it on my website so that those interested could follow it. But my hunch is our time would be better served tending to our churches, which this post was initially constructed to do.

    Please get back on topic.

    Much love to all,
    Rob

  41. Thanks for the opportunity, Rob.

    May I say in parting, however, that this is no side-show. It is part and parcel to your original post, and part of the Anglican Dilemma: What is Church? and What is “In Communion”?

    Until those hard questions are answered clearly and articulately, any movement at all is rather futile.

    Again, thank you for your kindness in allowing me to participate.

    signing off,

    Fr John

  42. danny says:

    Sorry…got carried away.

  43. Mary Lauer says:

    After reading so much Church-ese and so many acronyms (sort of like listening to my stepdaughter speak when she was in the Navy) I can’t pretend to enter into your discussion. Rather, I have an old question that remains unanswered which might help me understand the current “discussion” going on within the Episcopal Church today: What happened to the Biblically based arguments in support of slavery and integration? The head of the Mormon church speaks directly to God, and so was reapprised of the status of black people of African descent, and the Catholic Pope has the ability to redefine interpretation thru Papal Edict. How do we Episcopalians accept change? How do we know when NOT to accept change?

    I could answer my last two question by simply saying, “lots of reading and lots of soul-searching.” Not to mention, “To thine own self be true.” Which is what it boils down to for me. There are certain things I can suspect to be the truth that I learn from others (like the guys who discovered the DNA double helix), and then there are things that must make sense to me or I cannot accept them (like my religious beliefs). I cannot convince a person who has thought about and accepted his own truth, of my different belief, any more than someone can tell me to believe something I am unable to believe. But in most instances, I can live with the differences of opinion – as long as the other person doesn’t have a gun.

    Mary

    Mary

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